You Owe You

Jon Perry  00:08

Don’t let a backwards hat and sneakers stop you from becoming the success that you can be. That is one thing that I took out of this book you owe you by Eric Thomas. Good morning, and welcome to the Master Mind Library. I’m Jon Perry, the “Reach Architect” together with

 

Derek Egeberg  00:24

Good Morning, Derek Egeberg, the “Approval Coach.”

 

Jon Perry  00:27

And this morning, we’re going to talk about “You Owe You” by Dr. Eric Thomas, who had a very interesting upbringing. Put it together in this book. And I think there’s some real glimpses of some spectacular self actualization throughout it. An interesting story of struggles to success, and a little bit of a peek of what it might look like inside my own mind at times, which I found a little startling. What do you think of it?

 

Derek Egeberg  00:58

So first question, did you know who Eric Thomas was prior to reading the book, I did not know who Eric Thomas was prior to reading this book. Okay. So I think most people don’t know who he is. Or they’ve seen his success video that is out on YouTube without knowing that it’s without knowing that it’s him and then realizing that, Oh, they’ve probably seen the, when you want success, as bad as you want to breathe speech, then they know who Eric Thomas is. So it’s interesting, I really enjoyed the book. And I have started, I guess, critiquing books compared to other books. So I find myself having to stop and pretend I’m rereading only this book, not rereading it from the standpoint of having read 500 other books, because if I had compared it to those other books, I would see lots of nuggets that I’ve heard from other books. But I think it is a well rounded story, as a Autobiography of himself, going from the almost rags to riches story, but in a way that I think a lot of Americans may not have ever dreamed of success before. So you know, if you say you come from a family that may be three generations of Ivy League graduates, this book is probably not going to resonate with you. But if you come from a background that you don’t really believe you can do anything other than blue collar manual labor, I think this book really will resonate with you. And so I found myself having to go back and forth with who’s the book written for, and how would that person potentially perceive it. And I think there’s a lot of good nuggets in there.

 

Jon Perry  02:41

Yeah, he has found an identity with his niche audience. And he does have a niche audience. It’s because he brings something different to the arena of he has a public speaker and a motivational speaker, he gets hired by corporations and sports teams to inspire them. He is a I believe a pastor as well. And he goes about honing his craft of speaking the way that a lot of athletes hone their ability to compete, you know, Michael Jordan, was cut from his high school team. He was bullied by the pistons in his earlier years until he put on muscle, you know, and then he went out and you know, talk to the refs about their kids so that he wasn’t a jerk to them, or seen as a jerk by them and got potentially favorable calls, also known as the Jordan rules. And I can see parallels between a story of that and what he’s done with his craft of speaking, where he always had the ability to speak. He just didn’t realize it until a certain point. And then it became like, he says, his superpower that he activated, and he was able to rally around it, and he didn’t even think it was something that could be a viable profession for a long time. And even then, he didn’t realize the amount of people willing to pay for this particular skill. And because he has his own very unique point of view, because of his upbringing, because he is one of a very unique nature and a sea of, well, white men who typically dominate the public speaking circuit.

 

Derek Egeberg  04:27

And he talks about that he talks about that, you know, when he looked at the public speaking that you have the Zig Ziglar and the Jim Rohns, and the Bob Proctor’s and that Les Brown, who is in his mind, the goat, you know, it was Les Brown is the only African American public speaker and so you’re right in the book is written with his backstory. And remember the book Good to Great, yes. Okay. So he mentioned that he references that sometimes you have to get rid of the good to go for the grade, and he actually grew up fairly okay, if you read the book, you know, his mom married a gentleman who really wanted to have a father and they never really told him that he had another biological father. And so his his normalized upbringing wasn’t bad. According to him, his normalized upbringing came crashing to a halt when he realized that he was lied to, and there was a biological father. And he took that as what I perceive as a victim mentality, and he spiraled out of control.

 

Jon Perry  05:33

Yes, he talks about being a victim and victimhood and how if you let that take over your life, it’s there’s only a one way path and it’s not a good path. And he struggled with it for years until essentially he ran away from home. You know, his mom’s still supported him a little from the shadows. When he was willing to let her in, he put up the barrier, not his family, although it did sounds like it caused an issue with his, I guess, stepfather long term that he’s still working on repairing. And, you know, it’s interesting, though, that he found his North Star with the young lady who captivated him. And ultimately, one of the reasons why he dug himself out of this hole is to be the man that she would need in her life.

 

Derek Egeberg  06:23

So and again, I struggle now that we’ve done so many of these, that I have to not gauge the book necessarily, against other books, but I’m trying to gauge the book on somebody who may have read it for the first time without a huge knowledge library. So he talks about what your why and we’ve heard that theme and a lot of books Simon Sinek What’s your why, or start with why and in his why became his family in his why became becoming that leader that other people needed. Like he talks about going to college, and he went to college and started a Advantage program on the college campus that he wasn’t really getting paid for. It was just something that he did. And he wanted to my perception wanted to help lots of people wasn’t really seeing how to monetize it. So stepping back, what’s interesting is, here’s a book about basically how he became a an influential, influential public speaker, and his journey, and the people that he needed along the way, and the struggles along the way. And hey, you can do it too.

 

Jon Perry  07:34

And he did it his way. You know, like I mentioned in the opening, he wanted to be true to himself. And he turned down a $10,000 Paying opportunity, because he had to wear suit because he had because they they insisted he wore a suit. And that wasn’t who he was. And I can relate to that a little bit as my fashion style has evolved over the last several decades. And there was a period of time where I just wanted to be comfortable in what it was. And I was projecting. And I don’t think that I’m putting down what I once wore, there was just a point where I needed to find the right way to evolve my own sense of style to be where it is today. On my own terms, I know that you asked me many times beforehand to dress a little nicer for certain events to meet certain people. And I like an obtuse fool, you know, didn’t follow your advice. And maybe that had caused me some opportunities. And that was maybe something that I was subconsciously willing to sacrifice because I needed to be true to how I was at that moment. He has to wear his backwards hat. And that’s how some people notice him. And then that followed up with another paying gig of hey, but we insist that you wear your shoes in the hat because that’s how we know you from the video. That’s what sets you apart from the rest of your field. So it’s interesting when some people perceive a weakness, other people perceive a strength and that’s another thing. You know, being true to yourself and using your strengths truly as strengths that he conveys throughout this book.

 

Derek Egeberg  09:09

Yeah, I I actually really enjoyed the book. I don’t know. And let’s go back to the “Master Mind Library”. Jon, is this on your top shelf?

 

Jon Perry  09:18

This is not on my top shelf. This No probably not even on my top three shelves, okay? Because like you said, it’s kind of at some point, I have to compare it with the other books that I have and reading over 500 books. This is probably my top 150 Yet my top 150 doesn’t necessarily make my top three shelves, which are only 81 class 313 26 That’s 91

 

Derek Egeberg  09:50

So my top two math for living, it’s fine. No worries.

 

Jon Perry  09:54

But it doesn’t make my top 91 Right. And so it’s a good book. I would have no problem referring it to people I I’m glad that I read it. I definitely got some nuggets of information out of it and through a different perspective and a lens that maybe I didn’t have before.

 

Derek Egeberg  10:09

Now, here’s what’s interesting. I am, I’ve bought three more copies of the book, okay, I’m going to ask all three of my sons to read the book. So if you say, Derek, Egeberg for my top three shelves, you know, it’s teetering between shelf three, and shelf four, I think it’s a well written book, there’s some useful tools in there. But I feel like my boys will all read it, and listen to a struggle story and see somebody who still went to college and his still, I love his working on himself all the time. And I’ve never heard a public speaker talk about, you know, continually working on the craft. And, you know, he was very open and honest about, you know, he practices voice modulation, and he looks at, sometimes he is rasping his voice, just to give himself a little bit more authority, credibility, or, you know, et cetera, and looking at, okay, maybe my boys need to learn, because sometimes they don’t want to be like their parents, maybe they need to learn that, okay, this is somebody who went from here to here in life, and so they’ve changed their station. Boys keep working on your craft, and hear it from a different perspective. So I think it’s a good enough book to give out to people and I’m gonna give the book to all three my sons and, you know, demand a read it and see what happens, you know, tell me no, but I think it’s a, a great, great starter book for somebody who has never really taken action before. If it’s somebody who is already playing at an elite level, it’s probably not going to resonate with them. Because this, his ending of the book is put the book down, it’s time to turn the tape off and get after it type stuff. And I you hear that a lot. Again, you know, action is what’s needed. It’s not thinking it’s not posturing, it’s action. But this book, I think, is written for the person who needs to take the first step and realize there’s a huge journey out there, that Eric Thomas wasn’t born in a day. No, he didn’t become successful overnight. That video you and I watch has been on the internet for years, just incubating on YouTube, before anybody really realized who Eric Thomas was. And if you read the book, it was only because somebody used it and cut it up as a workout video that you over and over heard him say, when he wants access as bad as you want to breathe and all of a sudden, that person’s video is really what blew up Eric’s video and catapulted him.

 

Jon Perry  12:45

Absolutely. I mean, he talks about picking 12 years to get his baccalaureate, you know, because he wasn’t in the right place at the right time. He he followed his girlfriend to college, and he started college. He was not a learner, he talks about his dyslexia. He talks about his learning disabilities and how he had to overcome certain things. And while in college, although he wasn’t doing well in college, he found out that he also got his GED. The book mentions that he found more of a passion helping those just taking the steps that he had just left himself. He found that he talked about the bell tower ministry that he started with the CJ, another good friend that he met at college and started honing his craft of public speaking, he talked about getting invited to certain events and public speaking. And it was one of those events that led him to his job at Michigan and upward his family talked about and this is I’m bringing this up because between his travels and following his girlfriend with basically no backup plan and no clear vision of you know, how he’s going to pay for the totality of college to then going there 12 years getting his baccalaureate getting rounds, getting rooted in the in the community to leaving and going to Michigan for a job opportunity that ultimately led him to his doctorate, ultimately led him to starting to preach more. And then just having his church basically asked him to leave this community that he wants to get he found it he had to leave now some of his flock followed him and requested that he preached but it kind of created a rift within that religious community it sounded like and he had to constantly get uncomfort into uncomfortable situations to have that breakthrough like a good degree kind of thing. He had to get past the good to to get to the great when he already thought he was doing great. Something happened. Success suicide as we refer to another book and reset his clock to put it put in an uncomfortable position because how often is just so easy to be, I’m not doing bad and uncomfortable.

 

Derek Egeberg  15:10

I think we all hit that. And in there again, when you say that, okay, sometimes it’s in, we hear it, phrased as things don’t happen to you, they happen for you. And that’s how he approached that, that, okay, some of the people in his church may not have appreciated his modern style or his non traditional style, if you will. But if that’s what helped a congregation grow, then it was working. And if you split the sheets with a certain portion of the congregation, okay, now you’re gonna grow this way, and they’re gonna grow that way. And it’s not bad for either of them. If you view it as an opportunity to continue to grow and hone your craft or your congregation or your business or what it is, you know, a couple of interesting things. For me, again, going back to what Eric has set up here, you mentioned CJ, his his business partner. I think everybody needs good people around them. And he talks about who you surround yourself with. And we’ve heard of the DISC profile, yes, for forever. And he has created something that he calls his flight assessment. Now, I don’t know if he created that, or if it’s, you know, adapted from something else with his terminal with his terminology, but it really is a DISC profile. And so he breaks the disc up into pilots, flight attendants, ground crew, and air traffic controller. And if you go take the test it, it will line up very similar with a DISC profile. And I think there’s a lot of people who are very educated business people that all talk about the DISC profile. But if you talk to a newbie in business, or a college kid, a DISC profile sounds absolutely threatening and scary. But if you take a flight assessment, and it comes up with vernacular that most of us have heard, okay, it’s now not a scary thing. So I think, again, a lot of this is built to, here’s the first time buyer if you will, and here’s some tools. And he’s got a 60 Plus page PDF on his website that you can get right out of the book. And it’s a fairly well written document, that’s a good life planning of where you want to go and what you want to do when in the steps that you need to get there. And it doesn’t feel like the traditional and no offense, but the traditional Franklin Covey business planner that we all grew up with in the 90s,

 

Jon Perry  17:42

StrengthsFinder, 2.0, and all that kind of it. Again, I think it’s like you said, as monocular, for a younger professional, or for somebody who’s wanting to get into more white collar career path, you know, or

 

Derek Egeberg  17:56

for people who just didn’t believe that there’s a path for them

 

Jon Perry  18:00

in that. And I think that the way that things are set up now, with education being as expensive as it is now, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of trades that are going to need people working in the next five to 20 years. And there’s actually really good money in trades. I don’t know why blue collar got such a bad rap. As you know, as a society I don’t, I’m gonna have a hard time grasping as a society where it was, it was a less upon thing. When there’s good money, there’s good security, there’s good benefits working as a plumber, as an electrician as an H back technician. And as a medical assistant, I mean, there’s a lot of things that are blue collar. garbage men make more than most people realize it now, I understand that may not be someone’s desire to be a garbage man. Yet, it’s still an honor position. I mean, we’re gonna go through culture town, there are agriculture pickers, who make more than $25 an hour because they are very proficient and skilled at their job. There’s nothing wrong with that.

 

Derek Egeberg  19:08

There isn’t an a, you know, luck in our society, I think we have to compete and tag people into groups. And I think that’s sometimes one of our strengths. And sometimes one of our biggest weaknesses that, you know, when when we as a country want to fight against something, man it, you know, again, let’s go back to say when the Twin Towers fell, this country was united against something. And when there’s nothing to fight against, then you have white collar versus blue collar fight. Then you have, you know, the the Ivy League school versus the trade school and you have lots of different things to fight against. And I think what I did appreciate about Eric’s book, is it there isn’t anything fighting against I mean, he does talk about some underserved communities and that

 

Jon Perry  19:58

some victim you fights against himself. And

 

Derek Egeberg  20:01

he does and so, but it’s the path of, Hey, it’s me, and I’m the only person responsible for my success. And what he gets to in the end is, look, the only person you really owe is you. And you owe it to yourself to be 1%, every day better. You owe you to go hone your craft every day. And he talks about whether you’re a sculptor and artist, are you practicing your craft? But do you also go look at the other masters and learn what what they did to be amazing. And then he talks about, you know, sports athletes, if you’re a top tier sports athlete, you’re probably watching lots of film, not only on yourself, but on the competition, so you can learn their nuances as well. And it’s interesting that he then turned the coin and he did say, look, losers focus on winners, winners focus on winning. And so it’s not, you’re not focusing on other people trying to bring them down. You’re focusing on other people, what made them great, and how does that make you great are on your path from good to great. And so I really did appreciate the fact that he talked about meeting Bob Proctor, Les Brown, and some of the people that I know, in his industry, and say, you know, he really did take some great nuggets from those people. And it’s funny, sometimes what we hear is not what we hear. And I know I do it. I do it all the time. I know we both do it sometimes to each other. And he talks about when he met Bob Proctor. And and Bob said, you know, don’t take, you know, $20,000 is what he heard. And so his next few speeches, his business partner, CJ requested $20,000, and he started getting it. And he was so amazed that he was getting $20,000. And so when he saw Bob,

 

Jon Perry  22:00

because it was only getting about 1500 to $3,000, who

 

Derek Egeberg  22:03

when he talked to if he was offered 800, he would take whatever they offered. So if the the hiring person offered 800 takes it 1500 He takes he didn’t have a set price. It was low, though, and he didn’t have a contract either. Yeah. And then when he met Bob Proctor months later at another engagement, and Bob asked him, how’s going and he said, Oh, my gosh, you know, thank you so much for telling me, you know, take $20,000 And he said, Bob then return by saying, I didn’t say take 20,000 I said, Take no less than 20,000. And again, mind blown that. Wait a minute. So I’ve been asking the minimum this whole time and I got it but you’re saying there is no ceiling, on what’s capable. And I know, again, sometimes we view books differently. One of the takeaways is there isn’t a ceiling. No, but there is no ceiling for what this Master Mind Library is there’s no ceiling for what Jon Perry the reach architect can do. There’s no ceiling for what Derek Egeberg the “Approval Coach” can do. And yet, we feel like Man, there’s there’s not enough time in the day, man. I don’t know if I’ve got the energy to go do anymore.

 

Jon Perry  23:11

Just got to find the right audience. You know, it’s something that I learned back as a kid when I was collecting comics. It’s worth what someone is willing to pay. And if you have the talent, the knowledge and you’re willing to share at a price, find out what that market is willing to pay. You know, a comic book could have been worth $2. It could have been worth $20,000 It could have been worth $2 million. It leads me back to that story. Oh, gosh, I’m trying to remember where I heard it from about the car. The dad gave the daughter a car

 

Derek Egeberg  23:42

that’s made the rounds on the internet a lot. Yeah.

 

Jon Perry  23:44

Where you know, he gives the daughter an older car and he’s like, here’s your car. Before you do anything with it, take it to a car dealership and see what they’d give it for it and she brought to dealership brought it back so that they give her $2,000 He said okay, now bring it to a pawn shop and see what they’d give it to you she brought to a pawn shop brought it back to the give her about $200. He’s like, Okay, now take it to this kind of car show and see what they’d give it to you. But someone would give for it or whatever value that she brought to the car show. And they came back and was like $200,000 because it happened to be an extremely rare limited production value. There was no rust at all there was dirty, there was no rust on it. It had original interior and all these little bells and whistles that just made it such a desirable thing for collectors niche. And as she brought it back shoot blown away by this and he’s like, the value is in the perspective of the company that is that around. So kind of in the same very variance. You know, there’s value that you have and there is no ceiling on what you can charge as long as you are around those who appreciate what it is that you have and what you can bring to the table. And I think he does a good job of portraying that within the book that what he has and what he brought to the table was not something that he stole Got it out in life thinking that this was where it’s gonna get. At some point in time, though he did realize that and especially when his talks about struggles with his wife, he has his wife had suffered a multiple sclerosis, all of a sudden he had to provide even more. And then he decided that he wanted to be more charitable and he had to find a way to be more because he wasn’t gonna sacrifice for his family to be more charitable outward. So he just had to bring in more. And so he found ways of diversifying his own income, not relying 100%, because his voice may not last forever, all these, this craft, that he’s honing, this talking really softly to draw you in to being loud and boisterous may not last next year. So what else was yesterday he had to get wise, he had to read books, he had to learn other things. So that write books so that he could diversify his his income stream so that financially he could continue being a success, even when he is done, public speaking.

 

Derek Egeberg  25:59

And so going back to the book, and and your opinion is not top three shelves

 

Jon Perry  26:08

is definitely probably my top 150 200. Okay. That’s I know, it sounds low. When you read though 600 books in a couple of years, it’s not a bad place to be in at the top 25%.

 

Derek Egeberg  26:23

And that’s what I you know, again, as we as we’re structuring the Master Mind Library, there’s no disrespect to Eric, this is I think it’s a great book for somebody who needs to learn how to take action and start the journey. I think, if you listen to, and I appreciate a very tactical book, A, A bullet point checklist, and I also appreciate a very well written story with kind of a fanciful thing. This as an autobiography, it gave me a very good glimpse as to the inside workings of Eric’s brain, and how he got there. But it wasn’t the kind of story that had you read 102 100 books that may be life changing that way. It is interesting, knowing that he grew up in Detroit, Michigan, and that, you know, he talks about, you know, he was living on seven mile and you really never traveled more than a block each direction, or you get kind of in trouble, if you will, and seeing the the pressures that he had growing up that way. Okay, it’s an it’s a great journey. It’s a it’s a hero’s journey kind of autobiography in my mind. And if you’ve never really started or you don’t really know where your your vision is gonna take you. This was a great book and tools to pick up to start that process.

 

Jon Perry  27:51

Yeah, I would agree with you. I, like I said, it was a glimpse of my own art because I believe I have ADHD and ever been diagnosed. But all signs of things point that I might be a little bit touch with ADD

 

Derek Egeberg  28:05

or add, just ask anybody else who knows you and document? Yes. So the

 

Jon Perry  28:09

first half of his book, you know, up until about halfway through his oak, tree, rich Oak Ridge College. There was not a straight linear story. And the jumping back and jumping forth is how I sometimes view my day of functions and activity with like, I’m doing this Oh, I’m going over here, and then I’m coming back over here. And then oh, I’m over here. And it wasn’t. It wasn’t smooth, it was a little bit rougher, up until again, like he got his wife a little bit more entrenched. And then as he got his, or the became more focused on what he wanted, his story became to smooth out the ride a little bit. And I don’t know if that was intentional, or not intentional. It just jerked me here. And there. It’s like having a conversation about one thing and then going off on a tangent about a YouTube video you saw and then then coming back to the conversation then going, oh, yeah, and I gotta get apples from the grocery store tonight. And the the flow was just part of that path. And it’s like an I don’t know, again, it could either be genius and setting up the rocky beginning to the smoother, you know, transition of later his later in life. Or it could just be his mind on paper or his remembrance on paper,

 

Derek Egeberg  29:28

or it could be John Perry’s filter. And so here’s a, you know, flip the script on this. Here’s, here’s the takeaway. He talks about some of the people that he listened to when he was a kid. So as he’s walking by the TV, he would see and hear the sports announcer on TV. And what I took from that is, he’s giving you the story, and then he’s doing his own color commentary, his own his own backstory. So he’s the announcer in you know, again, if you look at most sports, there’s a play by play And there’s a color commentary. And these two do the broadcast together. He was doing his own play by play and his own color commentary. And it, it was obvious when he then mentioned listening to those sports announcers that that’s what he was writing it, in my opinion. That’s what he’s writing it as is he’s doing both of the announcers jobs because he’s the only author to the book. So I don’t think it’s I don’t think it’s rougher smoother, I think it’s a different book than then what you in the Jon Perry “Reach Architect”, style, appreciate, and no different than that’s probably one of the reasons it’s not on higher up on my shelf. Because it’s, I would say, and I feel bad saying beginner because that’s not the right word, it’s for the person who finally knows that they don’t know something, you know, you’ve moved from the end, if you’ve ever seen that quadrant with you don’t know that you don’t know. And then you know, that you don’t know, for the person who has finally realized that they’re no longer in the I don’t know that I don’t know box, and they are now in the I know, that I don’t know box of where I want to go when where my talents are and what he calls your superpowers. Okay, you’re in, in this box. Now that you know that you don’t know, read the book, go through his PDF, start that journey to hone your craft 1% better every day and get after it. And so from a beginners level, and I struggle saying the word beginner I thought about that for the last couple of days. From the beginner level, because it’s not a beginner level, both actualization,

 

Jon Perry  31:41

when you’re suffering, when you’re self actualized, that you want more, and you’re ready to get more

 

Derek Egeberg  31:46

great way to put it, then this is a great book for you. And I would, I would strongly suggest getting it. I’m giving that like I told you, I’m giving this book to all three of my boys. And I want them to see a journey from somebody’s raw beginnings. Because I’m I’m afraid that we kind of like when you talk about blue collar, white collar, you know, we pigeonhole people into things that my boys have never seen me struggle as a, you know, a college kid, he it took him 12 years to get through his bachelor’s degree, took me 10. And it took me 10 Because I was so focused on running a restaurant, that every time I fired assistant managers, or we had an issue, who had to cover the shifts, and who had to make sacrifices, the general manager, well, it took me that long to get through because I wasn’t committed, because I didn’t know what my why was. And my commitment to a career was less important than my commitment to myself. And as soon as that why changed, okay, get the degree then start moving on to post bachelor degree education, and the wise become everything? Well, again, we’ve heard start with why What’s your why over and over. But Eric puts it in a much different perspective in this book. So I do appreciate the book. I appreciate the writing style, having gone through it now twice. I think it’s a great book for somebody who needs to realize that there’s a long journey and path and where you are today. Better not be where you are in 10 15 20 years. Good. So with that in mind, any other items you would like to talk about you? Oh, you by Eric Thomas,

 

Jon Perry  33:40

I think that we, I covered everything that I could think about at this time. Again, I believe it’s a good book, I would recommend it. I think that, yeah, whether you’re at 16, and self, and self actualize at what you want, and more out of life, and you’re very ambitious. Or if you’re 25, and you’re tired of living at home with your parents, and you want to do something more with your life. You know, I think this is a great book. for that. I think it’d be awesome if we had it in college, you know, bookstores for them to just buy as a recommended list or at the high school level, maybe I’ll do that the human Union High School, they have the recommended reading list that they will probably recommend this to them because it kind of I feel that this would be more impactful. The younger you are as long as you’re open and ready to receive the message that it has to offer.

 

Derek Egeberg  34:29

And I feel like you’ve hit the nail on the head because if you look at a lot of his speeches, they’re for college kids the Advantage program that he and his partner set up on a college campus. It’s for young adults, and not to say that’s what this book is. But I think his passion is helping people get ahead in life where he was struggling at those points in his life. Certainly he does big stuff for big people and big speeches and sports teams and influencers. But I think his passion is for those college kids, the ones who just they don’t know that they don’t know yet. And they’re finally, the hair on the back of their neck is standing up that I know that there’s something I don’t know, but I don’t know the path to walk yet. So if you’re ready to walk that path, with a guy who wears sneakers, hoodies and a hat on backwards, I think this is a great book for you.

 

Jon Perry  35:25

That’s a great way to sum it up.

 

Derek Egeberg  35:27

So from Derek Egeberg, the “Approval Coach”, this is the Master Mind Library certainly enjoyed the book,

 

Jon Perry  35:33

Jon Perry, the Reach Architect, great book, I would recommend it to anyone who likes to read it and wants a different perspective of something that they may never have considered before.

 

Derek Egeberg  35:44

And because this is a book that is kind of outside what you and I would normally gravitate to, I would be very interested in comments down below. I want to know what you all think of it. And if there’s points that that you think we should talk about on the book, would also love to know what people think of his flight assessment tests. So get on there by the book, back page gives you the code to go take his flight assessment test, get on there and take it let’s have some discussions about personality profiles. In a way that is not the typical DISC profile that you would see in big business books.

 

Jon Perry  36:16

Yeah, sometime in the near future. We’ll post our own flight assessments in the comment area below on our webpage. If you see this on YouTube, go into the web page on our book assessment and we’ll post ours as well so that again, we can share with you where we’re at with it and be curious to get your take on it as well.

 

Derek Egeberg  36:34

Absolutely. So from all of us, the Master Mind Library, have a great week everybody. Bye for now. Bye for now.